MEAT PUPPETS GONE WILD: Dialogue with An Unbeliever Continued

by "Grace"

(Susan Fox's Note: We previously published a Dialogue with an Unbeliever   It was part of a three-way conversation between a man, we simply called “Brother,” who claimed to be an atheist,  and myself  and my friend, “Grace,” who first appeared on this blog in a piece called Sex and the Mystery of Gravy  In this post you see the portion of the dialogue that occurred between Brother and Grace. Brother's posts are labeled "Anonymous.")

Anonymous: If God is so good, then why does he punish us when we don't follow his word? Why did he supposedly wipe out millions of sinners with the Great Flood, an act akin to mass genocide? He created all of these people with the ability to sin, and when they did sin, he murdered them for it. What kind of god does that? Not a loving god - a cruel and testing god.

I don't want to offend your belief but I have spent a lot of time reading objective theological material, particularly on the history of the Christian god. I am convinced, without a shadow of doubt, that he was created by man.

Gods have always been, and will always be, the greatest way to control a society. Why? Because they often rule with:

1: Fear

2: Guilt

3: The promise of a glorious afterlife.

And best of all, you can't argue with them, assassinate them, or vote them out. If you manage to convince a large number of people that your god is real, then you can tell them to do whatever you want.

I truly believe that if Christianity didn't come with the promise of reward after death, it wouldn't have a fraction of the followers it does today.

I refuse to be made to feel the way I do by the sheep of a social marketing campaign.

Are we Meat Puppets?

“Grace”: I don't know, Susan.  This guy seems not to have a hunger for the transcendent.  It is very difficult to convince people of God's existence when they think they don't need Him.  If they are content with being just an accidental creation of a random meaningless universe, and they have no fear of death, or even a little concern about it, then what can religion mean to them?  Most religions are an attempt to make sense of the fact of our existence, and to help us make our way on the path of life, and to give us hope.  Various religions approach these goals with very different beliefs, but what can you say to a convinced materialist?  If he has made "science" his god, and believes that he is an accidental electronic meat puppet, then conversation with him is not possible.  Many people have that belief system today.

Of course, very few of them believe it consistently.  A true materialist would have no reason to condemn any action by a fellow human being.  True anarchy would reign everywhere, at all times, if there were no moral imperatives.  And society would quickly self-destruct.  In the end, moral relativism equals NO morality.  Do whatever you want.  But most materialists have never heard of the principle of non-contradiction, and even if they have, refuse to observe the rules of logic in conducting their own lives.  A good thing, too, or the world would be even more wicked than it is.  Many people who believe they are materialists continue to behave in conformity with at least some of the moral precepts that God writes on our hearts, and that the religion of the Jews and the Catholics have encoded.


WILL BROTHER CHANGE HIS MIND? READ THE REST HERE: GRACE'S DIALOGUE WITH OUR BROTHER ATHEIST  HEAR WHAT ELSE BROTHER HAS TO SAY!